New episode on the Crew Podcast (fka the vibescaling podcast) - Roy Mathew, Head of Sales @ Gumloop.
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See below for past and future guests:
Some of our previous guests:
Eleanor Dorfman, Head of Commercial Sales @ Anthropic, see here
Kyle Parrish, former VP of Sales @ Figma, see here
Pat Forquer, CRO @ Legora, see here
Liam Mulcahy, Head of Sales @ Parallel (former GTM Operating Partner @ Kleiner Perkins)
Tomer Chernia, VP of GTM @ Cursor
Ghazi Masood, CRO @ Replit
Kyle Norton, CRO @ Owner.com
Jason Gelman, GTM Operating Partner @ Primary Ventures
Evan Cassidy, VP of Sales @ Decagon
Jason Miller, VP of Sales @ Unify
Adam Ali, SVP of WW Revenue @ Rox
James White, VP of Sales @ Rogo
Mark Ebert, SVP of Revenue @ Profound
Rob Saliterman, VP of Sales @ Harvey
Some of our future guests:
Navid Zolfaghari, CRO @ Zapier (recorded, in edits now)
Bardia Shahali, VP of Sales @ Granola (recorded, in edits now)
Graham Moreno, VP of GTM @ Parallel (recorded, in edits now)
Bryan Cox, VP of Sales @ Braintrust (recorded, in edits now)
Mark Goldberger, VP of Sales @ Metaview (recorded, in edits now)
Simran Duggal, VP of Sales @ Juicebox (recorded, in edits now)
Becca Lindquist, Head of Sales @ Clay
Stevie Case, CRO @ Vanta
Nick Bogaty, CRO @ Vercel
Darren Moffat, VP of Sales @ Langchain
Erica Anderson, CRO @ Notion
Hannah Willson, CRO @ Nooks
Lauren Rhode, VP of Sales @ Lovable
Kai Mak, CRO @ Together AI
Mark Roberge, former CRO @ Hubspot
& many others in the pipeline
And many more in the pipeline - if you know any good leaders who fit this, shoot me a DM/reply/email ([email protected]). We’ll keep openings rolling and be super open to suggestions for similar guests.
We film in-person in SF & NYC at legit podcast studios and have retained a stellar post-production agency, so the quality will be high.
behind the scenes filming our episode with Graham Moreno, head of GTM @ Parallel
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Roy’s Background
Roy Mathew is the Head of Sales at Gumloop, one of the leading AI agent builders helping companies automate workflows across sales, marketing, and IT.
Before Gumloop, Roy spent several years at Airtable where he started as a growth lead, pitched the CEO to let him carry a bag, and helped build the sales playbook from scratch.
After Airtable he followed his former head of sales to Recurrency, an ERP-adjacent platform selling into distributors and wholesalers.
Before all of that, Roy was a special situations options trader, worked on the marketing team at Box, co-founded an automotive technology company called UQuote, and did a stint at Elastic.
He's a Harvard undergrad, Wharton MBA, and has one of the more unconventional paths into sales leadership you'll hear.
Interesting Takeaways
1. Grilling Before Selling Costs You the Best Candidates
The best candidates are usually passive, and you have to sell them on why they should even consider leaving. So when you finally get one on a call and the hiring manager opens by grilling them on deal reviews or technical questions they didn't prep for, you've already lost.
Roy's lived it. He got put through a hardcore deal review for a sales leader role when he hadn't personally carried a bag in four years. The candidate gets thrown off, the room never recovers, and you lose them before they ever decided the role was worth caring about.
2. The Two Types of Reps Using AI Are Already Splitting
One group is using agents to actually get better. They're editing, curating, adding judgment to what the model spits out.
The other group just wants to offload the work so they don't have to write the recap email or update Salesforce.
Roy thinks the gap between those two is going to get wide fast. The interesting question isn't whether you automate the busywork, it's what you do with the time you just bought back.
3. Blue-Chip-Only Resumes Are a Yellow Flag for Early Stage
Roy's take: "You want someone dangerous at a bad company."
If a rep has only been at the Slacks and Airtables of the world, riding a product that mostly sold itself, you don't actually know if they can sell.
You want people who've been through the grind of a hard product or a struggling company. That's where you find out who can really do the job.
4. MEDDIC Falls Apart When Your Use Cases Are Infinite
MEDDIC is a qualification framework, not a sales methodology, and it only works when you're solving a tight, defined set of problems.
Roy lived this at Airtable. They rolled it out, it worked for the marketing use cases, then fell apart once they were selling into a hundred different ones.
His framing: if you're prepping for IPO and need predictability, MEDDIC earns its keep. If you're in an arms race just trying to grow, it can actually slow you down.
5. The Agent That Watches What You Actually Send
Roy built a recap agent, but the interesting part is the self-improvement loop on top of it. Every week it compares the emails he actually sent to the instructions he originally gave it, then flags the gaps. "Here are four things you're doing that aren't in the rules. Want to add them?" He picks the ones that make sense and they go live. The agent learns from his real behavior, not just the prompt he wrote on day one.
Discussed In This Episode
The sell-grill-sell sandwich: why most companies blow the first conversation with passive candidates
From options trading to founding a company to pitching the Airtable CEO for a sales seat
Why he chose Gumloop and how the CEO closed him in under two weeks
The real difference between Co-Work and purpose-built agent platforms like Gumloop
How to build a pre-call agent that pulls from Gong, Granola, Slack, email, and web scrapers
The post-call agent stack: CRM updates, recap emails, product feedback tickets, and self-improvement loops
Two types of reps using AI: one group getting better, one group just getting lazier
Why MEDDIC doesn't work at companies with undefined or infinite use cases
The counterintuitive outbound play: gumball machines at an AI automation company
What he looks for when hiring at Gumloop right now
Why blue-chip-only resumes are a red flag for early-stage hiring
Timestamps
(00:00) Intro & The Sell-Grill-Sell Sandwich: Why Hiring Managers Kill Their Own Pipeline
(02:39) Roy's First Call Horror Story: Getting Deal-Reviewed for a VP Role
(04:55) From Options Trader to Box to Founding a Company: Roy's Roundabout Path Into Sales
(09:47) Joining Airtable as Employee 25: How a Guy Looking Over His Shoulder Changed Everything
(11:04) Pitching the CEO: "Let Me Carry the Bag or I'm Just the Spreadsheet Person"
(14:46) How to Evaluate an Early-Stage Company: Beyond the Investor Logos
(17:58) Why He Chose Gumloop: The Two-Week Interview That Threw His Framework Out the Window
(20:17) MCP, Co-Work, and the Agent Era: A Non-Technical Explainer
(26:06) The Blank Page Problem: How Gumloop Thinks About Personas vs. Use Cases vs. Industry
(31:00) The Pre-Call Agent Stack: Email, Slack, Gong, Granola, and Web Scrapers in One Brief
(35:34) The Post-Call Agent Stack: Recap Emails, CRM Updates, Linear Tickets, and Product Feedback
(38:03) The Self-Improvement Loop: An Agent That Watches What You Actually Send
(42:30) Agents for Sales Leaders: Process Adherence, Pipeline Inspection, and SPICED Monitoring
(50:40) GTM Mafias: Why the Slack Mafia Might Be Overhyped
(52:21) Blue-Chip-Only Resumes Are a Red Flag: "You Want Someone Dangerous at a Bad Company"
(57:15) The Outbound Play That Actually Works: Gumball Machines and Speaking Like a Human
(59:35) What Roy Looks For When Hiring at Gumloop Right Now
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