New episode on the Crew Podcast (fka the vibescaling podcast) - Navid Zolfaghari, Chief Sales Officer @ Zapier.
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See below for past and future guests:
Some of our previous guests:
Eleanor Dorfman, Head of Commercial Sales @ Anthropic, see here
Kyle Parrish, former VP of Sales @ Figma, see here
Pat Forquer, CRO @ Legora, see here
Liam Mulcahy, Head of Sales @ Parallel (former GTM Operating Partner @ Kleiner Perkins)
Tomer Chernia, VP of GTM @ Cursor
Ghazi Masood, CRO @ Replit
Kyle Norton, CRO @ Owner.com
Jason Gelman, GTM Operating Partner @ Primary Ventures
Evan Cassidy, VP of Sales @ Decagon
Jason Miller, VP of Sales @ Unify
Adam Ali, SVP of WW Revenue @ Rox
James White, VP of Sales @ Rogo
Mark Ebert, SVP of Revenue @ Profound
Rob Saliterman, VP of Sales @ Harvey
Some of our future guests:
Bardia Shahali, VP of Sales @ Granola (recorded, in edits now)
Graham Moreno, VP of GTM @ Parallel (recorded, in edits now)
Bryan Cox, VP of Sales @ Braintrust (recorded, in edits now)
Mark Goldberger, VP of Sales @ Metaview (recorded, in edits now)
Simran Duggal, VP of Sales @ Juicebox (recorded, in edits now)
Becca Lindquist, Head of Sales @ Clay
Stevie Case, CRO @ Vanta
Nick Bogaty, CRO @ Vercel
Darren Moffat, VP of Sales @ Langchain
Erica Anderson, CRO @ Notion
Hannah Willson, CRO @ Nooks
Lauren Rhode, VP of Sales @ Lovable
Kai Mak, CRO @ Together AI
Mark Roberge, former CRO @ Hubspot
Ken Lawshe, CRO @ Synthesia
& many others in the pipeline
And many more in the pipeline - if you know any good leaders who fit this, shoot me a DM/reply/email ([email protected]). We’ll keep openings rolling and be super open to suggestions for similar guests.
We film in-person in SF & NYC at legit podcast studios and have retained a stellar post-production agency, so the quality will be high.
behind the scenes filming our episode with Graham Moreno, head of GTM @ Parallel
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Navid’s Background
Navid Zolfaghari is the Chief Sales Officer at Zapier, where he's leading the push to move one of PLG's most iconic companies up-market into the enterprise.
Before Zapier, Navid spent six years at Branch, joining at roughly $500K in revenue and helping scale it to ~$100M. He then went to Metronome (where he hired me 🙂) to go deeper on usage-based pricing. Early in his career, he was at a retail analytics startup and before that he co-founded a company focused on micro-location data and beacons.
Navid got his start at Wildfire, which he joined at ~20 people and watched grow to 400 before it was acquired by Google. He spent a couple of years at Google post-acquisition, which was plenty long enough to learn that the big-company lifestyle wasn't for him.
He's also a poker player, a Miami Heat loyalist, and shamelessly pours his milk before cereal.
Interesting Takeaways
1. The "Capable" Bar Just Got Moved
Twelve months ago, knowing how to ask ChatGPT good account-planning questions was capable, the minimum to clear the AI fluency rubric at Zapier. As of this year, that same answer is unacceptable.
The new floor is building durable workflows: chaining a few tools together to run something specific without you babysitting it. Above that is adaptive (multiple stacks running across your day), then transformative (the whole job is rebuilt). If you'd describe your AI usage as "I use ChatGPT a lot," you're probably one rung lower than you think.
2. The War Council Lives in an MD File
Built originally by Zapier's Ryan Quinlan and now used across the exec team, the war council is an AI advisory board you run real decisions through.
Static members: a ruthless CFO, a wartime operator, and a digital twin of Wade Foster, refreshed weekly from his actual Slack messages and docs. For any given topic, it spins up domain-specific personas (a Chief Enablement Officer for an onboarding plan, a McKinsey consultant for a strategy doc).
Their job is to be hypercritical, not nice. Navid runs hiring decisions through it too: drops in the Ashby scorecards and the JD, asks the council what to do.
3. PLG Isn't Easy Mode, It's a Different Game
Chris's hot take: PLG is sales on easy mode.
Navid's response: same objective, different offense.
Enterprise is a half-court set, fewer shots, every play has to execute. PLG is running and gunning, more shots, faster pace, different problems with spacing.
The hard part of horizontal PLG isn't getting the meeting. It's the blank slate problem when the buyer can't tell you what to automate, because the product can automate anything.
4. Slope Over Snapshot
Navid's most-cited hiring principle: he doesn't look at where a candidate is right now, he looks at the curve. Someone who got into AI three months ago and has shipped six workflows since beats someone who's been "using ChatGPT for two years" with nothing to show for it.
The same logic shows up in his sales hires. He'd pay a premium for a founder who closed $2M over three years selling something nobody had heard of, because 0-to-1 selling is harder than $20M of inbound velocity. Moneyball framing: find the attributes the market is mispricing.
5. The 0.25% Who Actually Stand Out
Of the thousands of applications that hit Zapier for any given role, ~5% reach out direct to Navid or the hiring manager. Of those, ~5% (so 0.25% of total) actually skip the line. They don't say "just applied, super excited!"
They reference the AI fluency stuff they've been reading about, then send a Loom of a workflow they built, even something small, like an automation for their wife's business. The signal isn't the workflow itself. It's that they showed initiative without being asked. Same trait you'd want them bringing to a customer.
Discussed In This Episode
How Zapier rebuilt its AI fluency rubric
The four-tier scoring system: unacceptable, capable, adaptive, transformative
The "War Council": an AI-powered advisory board his entire exec team now runs decisions through
Whether PLG selling is actually easy mode
How to turn 200 scattered $20/month seats into one enterprise conversation
Why use cases are the unlock for selling a horizontal product
His hiring blueprint: startup fit, business athleticism, purposeful drive
Why he hires for slope over snapshot and what the movie Moneyball taught him about talent arbitrage
Love-to-win vs. hate-to-lose: how he evaluates competitive drive
What poker taught him about managing through variance as a sales leader
Why the best reps aren't coin-operated and what his top ten all have in common
How candidates actually stand out: custom Looms and building things
Timestamps
(00:00) Intro & Why Navid Made the Trip from Redwood City
(11:16) Navid's Background: Two-Time Founder to GTM Leader at Wildfire, Branch, Metronome & Zapier
(13:07) The Google Acquisition Story & Knowing Big Company Life Wasn't for Him
(15:00) What Zapier Actually Is Now: Agents, MCP & the Evolution Beyond Hand-Rolled Zaps
(15:35) AI Fluency at Zapier: The Four-Tier Rubric & Why "I Use ChatGPT" Is Now Unacceptable
(21:34) The War Council: An AI Advisory Board the Entire Exec Team Uses
(23:38) How Zapier Fits Into the MCP & Claude Co-Work Era
(34:43) Most Common Personas & the Rise of the "Head of AI Transformation"
(36:22) The Unified Value System: How One AE Replaced an Entire Sales Value Engineering Function
(38:36) Tools You'd Have to Rip From His Cold Dead Hands
(42:03) The Blueprint for Excellence: Startup Fit, Business Athleticism & Purposeful Drive
(53:57) Love to Win vs. Hate to Lose: How He Evaluates Competitive Drive
(01:05:28) The Consultant Mindset: What's Actually Changed in the Sales Archetype
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